History log of /drivers/char/lp.c
Revision Date Author Comments
1c2de820d66d704c7d6fffdd872b7670eb4e29bb 18-Dec-2013 Yongjian Xu <xuyongjiande@gmail.com> char: Int overflow in lp_do_ioctl().

arg comes from user-space, so int overflow may occur:
LP_TIME(minor) = arg * HZ/100;

Reported-by: Yongjian Xu <xuyongjiande@gmail.com>
Suggested-by: Qixue Xiao <s2exqx@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: Yu Chen <chyyuu@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
221ba151731133c8b0e1cdb9bfd2a45b3ba8764b 07-May-2013 salina@us.ibm.com <salina@us.ibm.com> Char: lp, protect LPGETSTATUS with port_mutex

The patch fixes a problem in the lp driver that can cause oopses as
follows:
process A: calls lp_write, which in turn calls
parport_ieee1284_write_compat, and that invokes
parport_wait_peripheral
process B: meanwhile does an ioctl(LPGETSTATUS), which call
lp_release_parport when done. This function will set
physport->cad = NULL.
process A: parport_wait_peripheral tries to dereference
physport->cad and dies

So, protect that code with the port_mutex in order to protect against
simultaneous calls to lp_read/lp_write.

Similar protection is probably required for ioctl(LPRESET)...

This patch was done by IBM a while back and we (at suse) have that
since at least 2004 in our repos. Let's make it upstream.

Signed-off-by: okir@suse.de
Signed-off-by: Jiri Slaby <jslaby@suse.cz>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@linuxfoundation.org>
496ad9aa8ef448058e36ca7a787c61f2e63f0f54 23-Jan-2013 Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk> new helper: file_inode(file)

Signed-off-by: Al Viro <viro@zeniv.linux.org.uk>
9ffc93f203c18a70623f21950f1dd473c9ec48cd 28-Mar-2012 David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com> Remove all #inclusions of asm/system.h

Remove all #inclusions of asm/system.h preparatory to splitting and killing
it. Performed with the following command:

perl -p -i -e 's!^#\s*include\s*<asm/system[.]h>.*\n!!' `grep -Irl '^#\s*include\s*<asm/system[.]h>' *`

Signed-off-by: David Howells <dhowells@redhat.com>
9dd4ccaaf8cde924b78ba5f5b1a8ce3e7ead687f 10-Feb-2012 H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com> compat: Handle COMPAT_USE_64BIT_TIME in the lp driver

Enable the lp driver to be used with a compat ABI with 64-bit time.

Signed-off-by: H. Peter Anvin <hpa@zytor.com>
Cc: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Greg Kroah-Hartman <greg@kroah.com>
90ab5ee94171b3e28de6bb42ee30b527014e0be7 13-Jan-2012 Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au> module_param: make bool parameters really bool (drivers & misc)

module_param(bool) used to counter-intuitively take an int. In
fddd5201 (mid-2009) we allowed bool or int/unsigned int using a messy
trick.

It's time to remove the int/unsigned int option. For this version
it'll simply give a warning, but it'll break next kernel version.

Acked-by: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: Rusty Russell <rusty@rustcorp.com.au>
6038f373a3dc1f1c26496e60b6c40b164716f07e 15-Aug-2010 Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> llseek: automatically add .llseek fop

All file_operations should get a .llseek operation so we can make
nonseekable_open the default for future file operations without a
.llseek pointer.

The three cases that we can automatically detect are no_llseek, seq_lseek
and default_llseek. For cases where we can we can automatically prove that
the file offset is always ignored, we use noop_llseek, which maintains
the current behavior of not returning an error from a seek.

New drivers should normally not use noop_llseek but instead use no_llseek
and call nonseekable_open at open time. Existing drivers can be converted
to do the same when the maintainer knows for certain that no user code
relies on calling seek on the device file.

The generated code is often incorrectly indented and right now contains
comments that clarify for each added line why a specific variant was
chosen. In the version that gets submitted upstream, the comments will
be gone and I will manually fix the indentation, because there does not
seem to be a way to do that using coccinelle.

Some amount of new code is currently sitting in linux-next that should get
the same modifications, which I will do at the end of the merge window.

Many thanks to Julia Lawall for helping me learn to write a semantic
patch that does all this.

===== begin semantic patch =====
// This adds an llseek= method to all file operations,
// as a preparation for making no_llseek the default.
//
// The rules are
// - use no_llseek explicitly if we do nonseekable_open
// - use seq_lseek for sequential files
// - use default_llseek if we know we access f_pos
// - use noop_llseek if we know we don't access f_pos,
// but we still want to allow users to call lseek
//
@ open1 exists @
identifier nested_open;
@@
nested_open(...)
{
<+...
nonseekable_open(...)
...+>
}

@ open exists@
identifier open_f;
identifier i, f;
identifier open1.nested_open;
@@
int open_f(struct inode *i, struct file *f)
{
<+...
(
nonseekable_open(...)
|
nested_open(...)
)
...+>
}

@ read disable optional_qualifier exists @
identifier read_f;
identifier f, p, s, off;
type ssize_t, size_t, loff_t;
expression E;
identifier func;
@@
ssize_t read_f(struct file *f, char *p, size_t s, loff_t *off)
{
<+...
(
*off = E
|
*off += E
|
func(..., off, ...)
|
E = *off
)
...+>
}

@ read_no_fpos disable optional_qualifier exists @
identifier read_f;
identifier f, p, s, off;
type ssize_t, size_t, loff_t;
@@
ssize_t read_f(struct file *f, char *p, size_t s, loff_t *off)
{
... when != off
}

@ write @
identifier write_f;
identifier f, p, s, off;
type ssize_t, size_t, loff_t;
expression E;
identifier func;
@@
ssize_t write_f(struct file *f, const char *p, size_t s, loff_t *off)
{
<+...
(
*off = E
|
*off += E
|
func(..., off, ...)
|
E = *off
)
...+>
}

@ write_no_fpos @
identifier write_f;
identifier f, p, s, off;
type ssize_t, size_t, loff_t;
@@
ssize_t write_f(struct file *f, const char *p, size_t s, loff_t *off)
{
... when != off
}

@ fops0 @
identifier fops;
@@
struct file_operations fops = {
...
};

@ has_llseek depends on fops0 @
identifier fops0.fops;
identifier llseek_f;
@@
struct file_operations fops = {
...
.llseek = llseek_f,
...
};

@ has_read depends on fops0 @
identifier fops0.fops;
identifier read_f;
@@
struct file_operations fops = {
...
.read = read_f,
...
};

@ has_write depends on fops0 @
identifier fops0.fops;
identifier write_f;
@@
struct file_operations fops = {
...
.write = write_f,
...
};

@ has_open depends on fops0 @
identifier fops0.fops;
identifier open_f;
@@
struct file_operations fops = {
...
.open = open_f,
...
};

// use no_llseek if we call nonseekable_open
////////////////////////////////////////////
@ nonseekable1 depends on !has_llseek && has_open @
identifier fops0.fops;
identifier nso ~= "nonseekable_open";
@@
struct file_operations fops = {
... .open = nso, ...
+.llseek = no_llseek, /* nonseekable */
};

@ nonseekable2 depends on !has_llseek @
identifier fops0.fops;
identifier open.open_f;
@@
struct file_operations fops = {
... .open = open_f, ...
+.llseek = no_llseek, /* open uses nonseekable */
};

// use seq_lseek for sequential files
/////////////////////////////////////
@ seq depends on !has_llseek @
identifier fops0.fops;
identifier sr ~= "seq_read";
@@
struct file_operations fops = {
... .read = sr, ...
+.llseek = seq_lseek, /* we have seq_read */
};

// use default_llseek if there is a readdir
///////////////////////////////////////////
@ fops1 depends on !has_llseek && !nonseekable1 && !nonseekable2 && !seq @
identifier fops0.fops;
identifier readdir_e;
@@
// any other fop is used that changes pos
struct file_operations fops = {
... .readdir = readdir_e, ...
+.llseek = default_llseek, /* readdir is present */
};

// use default_llseek if at least one of read/write touches f_pos
/////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////
@ fops2 depends on !fops1 && !has_llseek && !nonseekable1 && !nonseekable2 && !seq @
identifier fops0.fops;
identifier read.read_f;
@@
// read fops use offset
struct file_operations fops = {
... .read = read_f, ...
+.llseek = default_llseek, /* read accesses f_pos */
};

@ fops3 depends on !fops1 && !fops2 && !has_llseek && !nonseekable1 && !nonseekable2 && !seq @
identifier fops0.fops;
identifier write.write_f;
@@
// write fops use offset
struct file_operations fops = {
... .write = write_f, ...
+ .llseek = default_llseek, /* write accesses f_pos */
};

// Use noop_llseek if neither read nor write accesses f_pos
///////////////////////////////////////////////////////////

@ fops4 depends on !fops1 && !fops2 && !fops3 && !has_llseek && !nonseekable1 && !nonseekable2 && !seq @
identifier fops0.fops;
identifier read_no_fpos.read_f;
identifier write_no_fpos.write_f;
@@
// write fops use offset
struct file_operations fops = {
...
.write = write_f,
.read = read_f,
...
+.llseek = noop_llseek, /* read and write both use no f_pos */
};

@ depends on has_write && !has_read && !fops1 && !fops2 && !has_llseek && !nonseekable1 && !nonseekable2 && !seq @
identifier fops0.fops;
identifier write_no_fpos.write_f;
@@
struct file_operations fops = {
... .write = write_f, ...
+.llseek = noop_llseek, /* write uses no f_pos */
};

@ depends on has_read && !has_write && !fops1 && !fops2 && !has_llseek && !nonseekable1 && !nonseekable2 && !seq @
identifier fops0.fops;
identifier read_no_fpos.read_f;
@@
struct file_operations fops = {
... .read = read_f, ...
+.llseek = noop_llseek, /* read uses no f_pos */
};

@ depends on !has_read && !has_write && !fops1 && !fops2 && !has_llseek && !nonseekable1 && !nonseekable2 && !seq @
identifier fops0.fops;
@@
struct file_operations fops = {
...
+.llseek = noop_llseek, /* no read or write fn */
};
===== End semantic patch =====

Signed-off-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Cc: Julia Lawall <julia@diku.dk>
Cc: Christoph Hellwig <hch@infradead.org>
613655fa39ff6957754fa8ceb8559980920eb8ee 02-Jun-2010 Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> drivers: autoconvert trivial BKL users to private mutex

All these files use the big kernel lock in a trivial
way to serialize their private file operations,
typically resulting from an earlier semi-automatic
pushdown from VFS.

None of these drivers appears to want to lock against
other code, and they all use the BKL as the top-level
lock in their file operations, meaning that there
is no lock-order inversion problem.

Consequently, we can remove the BKL completely,
replacing it with a per-file mutex in every case.
Using a scripted approach means we can avoid
typos.

These drivers do not seem to be under active
maintainance from my brief investigation. Apologies
to those maintainers that I have missed.

file=$1
name=$2
if grep -q lock_kernel ${file} ; then
if grep -q 'include.*linux.mutex.h' ${file} ; then
sed -i '/include.*<linux\/smp_lock.h>/d' ${file}
else
sed -i 's/include.*<linux\/smp_lock.h>.*$/include <linux\/mutex.h>/g' ${file}
fi
sed -i ${file} \
-e "/^#include.*linux.mutex.h/,$ {
1,/^\(static\|int\|long\)/ {
/^\(static\|int\|long\)/istatic DEFINE_MUTEX(${name}_mutex);

} }" \
-e "s/\(un\)*lock_kernel\>[ ]*()/mutex_\1lock(\&${name}_mutex)/g" \
-e '/[ ]*cycle_kernel_lock();/d'
else
sed -i -e '/include.*\<smp_lock.h\>/d' ${file} \
-e '/cycle_kernel_lock()/d'
fi

Signed-off-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
3695669cd4f5fb6d569fd4243312c1b4a05bd5ce 14-Nov-2009 Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de> lp: move compat_ioctl handling into lp.c

Handling for LPSETTIMEOUT can easily be done in lp_ioctl, which
is the only user. As a positive side-effect, push the BKL
into the ioctl methods.

Signed-off-by: Arnd Bergmann <arnd@arndb.de>
Acked-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
03457cd455d042c9ee4cc47c1ed4532257980693 22-Jul-2008 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> device create: char: convert device_create_drvdata to device_create

Now that device_create() has been audited, rename things back to the
original call to be sane.

Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
47aa5793f78c274d51711f6a621fa6b02d4e6402 21-May-2008 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> device create: char: convert device_create to device_create_drvdata

device_create() is race-prone, so use the race-free
device_create_drvdata() instead as device_create() is going away.

Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
abedd296e97a5d943e76999de97253f1b62a4846 15-May-2008 Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net> lp: cdev lock_kernel() pushdown

Signed-off-by: Jonathan Corbet <corbet@lwn.net>
0a5dcb51770be3cd0202d6b90a07996fb40130b6 06-Feb-2008 Matthias Kaehlcke <matthias.kaehlcke@gmail.com> Parallel port: convert port_mutex to the mutex API

Parallel port: Convert port_mutex to the mutex API

[akpm@linux-foundation.org: coding-style fixes]
Signed-off-by: Matthias Kaehlcke <matthias.kaehlcke@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
f4a1c2bce002f683801bcdbbc9fd89804614fb6b 17-Oct-2007 Pavel Machek <pavel@ucw.cz> lp_console: cleanups

Remove NULL initializers and clean whitespace a bit.

Signed-off-by: Pavel Machek <pavel@suse.cz>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
07c015e7654821f2dda00dcf152c65b2afd46ac3 08-Aug-2007 tonyj@suse.de <tonyj@suse.de> Convert from class_device to device in drivers/char

Convert from class_device to device in drivers/char.

Signed-off-by: Tony Jones <tonyj@suse.de>
Signed-off-by: Kay Sievers <kay.sievers@vrfy.org>
Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
b259d74b39595f6ac74c3627b9c3657ac90249a0 08-May-2007 Milind Arun Choudhary <milindchoudhary@gmail.com> ROUND_UP macro cleanup in drivers/char/lp.c

ROUND_UP macro cleanup use DIV_ROUND_UP

Signed-off-by: Milind Arun Choudhary <milindchoudhary@gmail.com>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
e63340ae6b6205fef26b40a75673d1c9c0c8bb90 08-May-2007 Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com> header cleaning: don't include smp_lock.h when not used

Remove includes of <linux/smp_lock.h> where it is not used/needed.
Suggested by Al Viro.

Builds cleanly on x86_64, i386, alpha, ia64, powerpc, sparc,
sparc64, and arm (all 59 defconfigs).

Signed-off-by: Randy Dunlap <randy.dunlap@oracle.com>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
da6752964290567a6b4ea180d1becda75e810e87 08-May-2007 David Brownell <david-b@pacbell.net> layered parport code uses parport->dev

Update some of the layered parport_driver code to use parport->dev:

- i2c-parport (parent of i2c_adapter)
- spi_butterfly (parent of spi_master, allowing cruft removal)
- lp (creating class_device)
- ppdev (parent of parportN device)
- tipar (creating class_device)

There are still drivers that should be updated, like some of the input
drivers; but they won't be any worse off than they are today.

Signed-off-by: David Brownell <dbrownell@users.sourceforge.net>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: Jean Delvare <khali@linux-fr.org>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@linux-foundation.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@linux-foundation.org>
5cbded585d129d0226cb48ac4202b253c781be26 13-Dec-2006 Robert P. J. Day <rpjday@mindspring.com> [PATCH] getting rid of all casts of k[cmz]alloc() calls

Run this:

#!/bin/sh
for f in $(grep -Erl "\([^\)]*\) *k[cmz]alloc" *) ; do
echo "De-casting $f..."
perl -pi -e "s/ ?= ?\([^\)]*\) *(k[cmz]alloc) *\(/ = \1\(/" $f
done

And then go through and reinstate those cases where code is casting pointers
to non-pointers.

And then drop a few hunks which conflicted with outstanding work.

Cc: Russell King <rmk@arm.linux.org.uk>, Ian Molton <spyro@f2s.com>
Cc: Mikael Starvik <starvik@axis.com>
Cc: Yoshinori Sato <ysato@users.sourceforge.jp>
Cc: Roman Zippel <zippel@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Geert Uytterhoeven <geert@linux-m68k.org>
Cc: Ralf Baechle <ralf@linux-mips.org>
Cc: Paul Mackerras <paulus@samba.org>
Cc: Kyle McMartin <kyle@mcmartin.ca>
Cc: Benjamin Herrenschmidt <benh@kernel.crashing.org>
Cc: Martin Schwidefsky <schwidefsky@de.ibm.com>
Cc: "David S. Miller" <davem@davemloft.net>
Cc: Jeff Dike <jdike@addtoit.com>
Cc: Greg KH <greg@kroah.com>
Cc: Jens Axboe <jens.axboe@oracle.com>
Cc: Paul Fulghum <paulkf@microgate.com>
Cc: Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk>
Cc: Karsten Keil <kkeil@suse.de>
Cc: Mauro Carvalho Chehab <mchehab@infradead.org>
Cc: Jeff Garzik <jeff@garzik.org>
Cc: James Bottomley <James.Bottomley@steeleye.com>
Cc: Ian Kent <raven@themaw.net>
Cc: Steven French <sfrench@us.ibm.com>
Cc: David Woodhouse <dwmw2@infradead.org>
Cc: Neil Brown <neilb@cse.unsw.edu.au>
Cc: Jaroslav Kysela <perex@suse.cz>
Cc: Takashi Iwai <tiwai@suse.de>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
a7113a966241b700aecc7b8cb326cecb62e3c4b2 08-Dec-2006 Josef Sipek <jsipek@fsl.cs.sunysb.edu> [PATCH] struct path: convert char-drivers

Signed-off-by: Josef Sipek <jsipek@fsl.cs.sunysb.edu>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
d09d7ddf3018b4c6efa76dce72f6dec6054fa22b 29-Sep-2006 Alan Cox <alan@lxorguk.ukuu.org.uk> [PATCH] There is no devfs, there has never been a devfs, we have always been at war with...

Jon Smirl noted a couple of tty driver functions now are quite misleadingly
named with the death of devfs. A quick grep found another case in the lp
driver.

Signed-off-by: Alan Cox <alan@redhat.com>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
62322d2554d2f9680c8ace7bbf1f97d8fa84ad1a 03-Jul-2006 Arjan van de Ven <arjan@infradead.org> [PATCH] make more file_operation structs static

Mark the static struct file_operations in drivers/char as const. Making
them const prevents accidental bugs, and moves them to the .rodata section
so that they no longer do any false sharing; in addition with the proper
debug option they are then protected against corruption..

[akpm@osdl.org: build fix]
Signed-off-by: Arjan van de Ven <arjan@linux.intel.com>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
6ab3d5624e172c553004ecc862bfeac16d9d68b7 30-Jun-2006 Jörn Engel <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de> Remove obsolete #include <linux/config.h>

Signed-off-by: Jörn Engel <joern@wohnheim.fh-wedel.de>
Signed-off-by: Adrian Bunk <bunk@stusta.de>
ff23eca3e8f613034e0d20ff86f6a89b62f5a14e 21-Jun-2005 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> [PATCH] devfs: Remove the devfs_fs_kernel.h file from the tree

Also fixes up all files that #include it.

Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
8ab5e4c15b53e147c08031a959d9f776823dbe73 21-Jun-2005 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> [PATCH] devfs: Remove devfs_remove() function from the kernel tree

Removes the devfs_remove() function and all callers of it.

Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
7c69ef79741910883d5543caafa06aca3ebadbd1 21-Jun-2005 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> [PATCH] devfs: Remove devfs_mk_cdev() function from the kernel tree

Removes the devfs_mk_cdev() function and all callers of it.

Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
95dc112a5770dc670a1b45a3d9ee346fdd2b2697 21-Jun-2005 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> [PATCH] devfs: Remove devfs_mk_dir() function from the kernel tree

Removes the devfs_mk_dir() function and all callers of it.

Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
53f4654272df7c51064825024340554b39c9efba 28-Oct-2005 Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de> [PATCH] Driver Core: fix up all callers of class_device_create()

The previous patch adding the ability to nest struct class_device
changed the paramaters to the call class_device_create(). This patch
fixes up all in-kernel users of the function.

Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
96757701336365e30bea9fccdfac087338954e09 10-Sep-2005 Marcelo Feitoza Parisi <marcelo@feitoza.com.br> [PATCH] drivers/char/lp.c : Use of the time_after() macro

Use of the time_after() macro, defined at linux/jiffies.h, which deals with
wrapping correctly and are nicer to read.

Signed-off-by: Marcelo Feitoza Parisi <marcelo@feitoza.com.br>
Signed-off-by: Domen Puncer <domen@coderock.org>
Signed-off-by: Andrew Morton <akpm@osdl.org>
Signed-off-by: Linus Torvalds <torvalds@osdl.org>
ca8eca6884861c1ce294b05aacfdf9045bba9aff 23-Mar-2005 gregkh@suse.de <gregkh@suse.de> [PATCH] class: convert drivers/char/* to use the new class api instead of class_simple

Signed-off-by: Greg Kroah-Hartman <gregkh@suse.de>
1da177e4c3f41524e886b7f1b8a0c1fc7321cac2 17-Apr-2005 Linus Torvalds <torvalds@ppc970.osdl.org> Linux-2.6.12-rc2

Initial git repository build. I'm not bothering with the full history,
even though we have it. We can create a separate "historical" git
archive of that later if we want to, and in the meantime it's about
3.2GB when imported into git - space that would just make the early
git days unnecessarily complicated, when we don't have a lot of good
infrastructure for it.

Let it rip!